Just cause more than cursing falls under unwholesome, doesn't mean you can excuse it all. "But that is not going against cussing, cussing merely fits under that category." If cursing is unwholesome and the bible says to speak no unwholesome thing, then it is wrong. Also, there's an awful lot of personal interpretation with saying what is equivalent to what was spoken of at the time things were written in the Bible so it's not our call to say. Both dung and garbage are not the same as curse words
Cursing can be unwholesome. And the majority of the time it is. But it is possible that it can be wholesome. Granted even then it is usually unneeded, it is possible.
Lol so you just completely ignored the part where she explained how in the context it was a cuss, but go ahead and ignore it if you wish.
I came off as ignorant when I did try and argue with people, it is good to read the Bible and learn all that you can but God will be the one to show you how to interpret things.I find now that I am much more loving and open minded to others, more people are willing to listen and try out going to church with me than ever before :) back when I argued over every little thing I was looked at poorly. God Bless
I am not trying to get people to come to church with me by the posts I make on here, I am trying to show people the truths of the bible.
Look at me poorly if you wish, but that is judgement.
Romans 6:1-2 What the NIV translates as “By no means!” is the Greek “Me genoito” which is the strongest Greek idiom to indicate repudiation (refusal to accept and implies a casting off or disowning as untrue, unauthorized, or unworthy of acceptance) and even conveys the idea of outraged indignation. In other words, it was equivalent to today’s “hell no!”
Phil 3:8 "garbage" in the original greek is skybalon meaning dung or excrement. It was a vulgar word but Paul used it to get his point across. It has been found in ancient graffiti and in manuscripts linking it as pure profanity! Paul purposefully uses a vulgar and offensive term in his letter in order to grab the attention of his readers and get into their faces. But this isn’t the only place he’s been known to get up into people’s faces. He does it in Romans as well.
If I recall correctly there is a part where God actually says He is going to smear ‘dung’ in the face of people. I want to say it is in Duet.
If you would stop trying to make me continuously prove what I did and prove what you're saying then you would have a case.You can do things that are positive with your words, but I'm talking about cursing in particular and with swearing, it is not neutral nor positive.
You did not prove anything. You offered evidence and I showed you why that evidence simply is not enough. You have no case. You have not seen it be neutral? Have you ever been around someone who used a cuss as an exaggeration? Because that is not tearing someone down, and is in fact neutral. Unless someone around them is offended, which I already have been over.
"Why should I have to prove it?" Because if you can't then it is invalid. You assume that I am already wrong, but I have proved it by taking it straight to scripture and you haven't done that. Also, I did prove it. I said If you can prove that it is not a sin, then please show me. It is unwholesome talk and the bible says black and white that "no unwholesome talk should not come out of your mouth." Prove that is is not unwholesome talk. I already proved my point.
You assume that I am already wrong. And no you have not proved it. If this was a court case you would have had a missing body and the defendant would simply have no alibi. The trial would be thrown out.
I have pointed out several times how it the references to scripture about cussing are about tearing people down with your words. Seriously, read it. You will notice that. If you are not tearing doing something bad with your words you can either be doing good things with your words, or neutral things with your words. There is a gray area. Not everything is black and white.
It is your opinion that swearing isn't sin. Interpretation of the Bible is one, but application is many. One can't say something is a sin and another man say it is not. It either is or it is not. If you can prove that it is not a sin, then please show me. It is unwholesome talk and the bible says black and white that no unwholesome talk should not come out of your mouth.
Why should I have to prove it? You are the one condemning it. Innocent until proven guilty, I am the one on trial here so prove me wrong. If the bible said it in black and white it would reference to the exact word of ‘swearing’ or ‘cussing’ and even then you would have to look into the definition of such words to see it they fit into it.
Not everything is black and white, go get a coloring book. It will teach you great things.
"Also, people keep saying that I am saying it is okay to sin if you have the right motives, I am not. At all. What I am saying is that if you swear without false motives it isn’t a sin." That sounds quite contradictory doesn't it? Swearing is a sin because it is considering unwholesome talk, unless you can prove otherwise. Which would mean that if you swear "without false motives" it isn't a sin? Then how are you not saying that it's okay to sin if you have the right motives?
Not contradictory. You are saying it is a sin, I am not. It is contradictory to your views. Just not to mine.
If you lie it is a sin, even with good motives. But the swearing isn’t the sin. It is the language you use with false motives.
To "voiceinthewind": Where does Paul use sh** it in the bible? Even if Paul did, does that mean it's okay? He's human which means he is imperfect and sins. We're not to look at the example of men, but rather God. You say that the bible doesn't say our words are displeasing to God, but where does it say our motives are? I believe is says what sin is and tells us not to commit it. Also, no one ever said that we should eliminate curse words; the argument was over whether or not they are sinful.
I think her point in saying that was from when people asked me about whether or not someone swears in the bible and whom.
"You say that the bible doesn’t say our words are displeasing to God, but where does it say our motives are?"
You are kidding right? You have read the bible right? Also, people keep saying that I am saying it is okay to sin if you have the right motives, I am not. At all. What I am saying is that if you swear without false motives it isn’t a sin.
"I believe is says what sin is and tells us not to commit it."
I agree, I am just pointing out that some people make a fuss over things that aren’t really forbidden in the bible.
"Also, no one ever said that we should eliminate curse words; the argument was over whether or not they are sinful."
You are right, however aren’t we to refrain from sinning and help others do so? Wouldn’t that mean we should tell people to stop using such words?
Also, the sake of argumentation is not to "pick apart people's views", but rather to defend the faith to bring those closer to Christ. If those aren't your "motives" then even this is wrong.
I am not picking a certain person’s beliefs apart. I am going after the whole of Christianity to see how much is truly rooted in the bible. It is an investigation.
You sound kind of like my old drill instructor “If you’re not doing _____ then you are wrong!” which in Basic Training that is quite true. However, in everyday life that is false. If you are stumbling because of my blog then unfollow me, simple as that. But I am not just going to take everything someone tells me as truth. There has to be some level of investigation towards it, and if you are suggesting otherwise (which you are) then you are making suggestions that hinder my walk, and therefor sinning yourself. Good day anon.
Here is a point. Duper is a curse word in Polish. Shall we eliminate it from our language? (for those keen kids that say super duper) Fuck is not a curse word in England (so I'm told) should we make them eliminate it from their language? Words are not displeasing to God. The bible never says that. Your meaning behind those words are. Should we be set apart? Yes. But it should be our actions and how we use our words that set us apart. And FYI Paul used "shit" in the bible =)
Where did he say that?! I need to see this! Haha. But I agree with you completely, and this is what I was trying to get across the entire night.
your post says Good night More views to be picked apart tomorrow.
no offence but being a Christian isnt about picking other peoples views apart, its about loving the lord and loving everyone because of him. You are supposed to teach the lords teachings with love. when you go after people with your opinion like this it only scares people away. Trust me, I learned the hard way. God bless you
I am not going after people, I am looking at views, and picking them apart to see if they are truly founded in the bible or not. And I believe every Christian should do this. It is a part of what we should do in order to learn more about the bible and our own beliefs. If you have no desire to do such a thing you are going to come off as ignorant.
“Sorry it took me so long; I went out for a bit. But in response to the cursing issue: There was some talk about cursing not necessary bring people down, but can there be examples of that? In Colossians 4:6, it says “Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you…
For the first half; I have seen these arguments hundreds of times before. I still do not believe swearing is a sin, rather the motives behind it.
And the second half makes some good (yet out of context) points.
I do not say God dammit, or any of the reference’s you used, with one exception. I do, from time to time, say ‘Oh my God’. And yet again it comes down to the morals and motives. I bet you would be surprised if you counted how many times in the Bible God says ‘I am the Lord YOUR God.’ Now clearly He did not mean ‘hey I am yours, all yours. No one elses.’ Rather he meant ‘I am your God, and you are my servant.’ You can’t own a God, that is simply preposterous. The word God itself commands power and authority, not something that can be owned. So when I say ‘Oh my God.’ it is in reference to Him being my GOD, not Him being MINE. Or I will say it in the manner of concern ‘Oh.. My God.’ generally if something would be offensive to God in some way.
I do not remember arguing about this. Ever. In fact up until just today my stance on this subject has been undefined. I…
Here’s the thing; It can be argued, if…
My bible is out of reach, and I have done research into this before. This has also been on my heart for a while, and that is contributing to why I am questioning this logic.
It may be offensive to people, I agree. This is why I do not post it onto public forums or walk around town swearing. It is something that happens when I am around friends. People that I know.
Rob, a couple of points:
As Christians we are not under law, but under grace. Paul said, “All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not” (1 Cor. 10:23) We should not become legalistic about cussing or let it interfere with our fellowship with other Christians. Especially considering that what does or doesn’t constitute a cuss word is largely cultural (e.g. some might think “crap” or “bloody” is a cuss word), we need to be guided by the “law of love.”
Paul dealt with a very similar issue in his day, except instead of cussing the issue was eating meat sacrificed to idols. He said,
Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do. But take care that this right of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will he not be encouraged, if his conscience is weak, to eat food offered to idols? And so by your knowledge this weak person is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died. Thus, sinning against your brothers and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble. (1 Cor. 8:8-13)
The issue of eating meat sacrificed to idols was not a moral issue. There was nothing wrong or sinful about it. But, because seeing Paul eating in an idol’s temple might cause one of his fellow believers to stumble, Paul chose to relinquish some of his freedom in Christ for the sake of his brother. Not out of guilt or obligation, and certainly not because he was afraid of offending people, but out of love.
You mentioned that you only cuss in limited contexts, including around close friends. The question to ask then is are you causing your friends to stumble? Perhaps they may seem cool with it, but on the inside are wishing that you would refrain from saying some words you do. Or maybe they really don’t care. Maybe one of them doesn’t want to look like a stick in the mud and would never say anything, unless you and (s)he were talking one-on-one about it.
If you’re sure you’re not causing your friends to stumble, then the next question is, are you causing yourself to stumble in any way by cussing? In my life I have found that using certain cuss words actually leads me into other thoughts and temptations that I wouldn’t have had otherwise. Perhaps it’s as simple as this: you use a few cuss words, and that gives one of your friends the “go-ahead” to start talking about a girl in a sexual way, and that leads to you lusting in your heart. That’s just an example, and I don’t know your friends and maybe they would never behave in that way. But if you have any friends who think Christians are all fakes, seeing a Christian cuss might perpetuate that belief and become a stumbling block to their salvation.
Years ago I was on a Christian IRC chat channel and someone told me about how they had to change their nickname because it might give some people the wrong idea. The nickname was “BJ.” At the time, I thought it was the stupidest reason for changing a nickname. I even argued a little bit about the idea. It seemed such a stretch to think that the name “BJ” would make someone stumble. Why should “BJ” have to change his/her name because it might cause someone to stumble? Likewise Paul could have said to the Corinthians, “If someone is made to stumble by me, too bad.” But he didn’t. He put his fellow Christians before his own freedom and his own rights out of love and concern for their relationship with Christ.
I can agree with all of this. But as my friends swear regardless of my influence (though they have gotten better at censoring around people because of my influence.) And no, they aren’t just pretending to be okay with it, and the people I usually cuss around aren’t people who would just get dragged into lustful conversations because someone swore.